I don't use third party pieces with my systems unless we're refering to the mic. Like i said i am, not looking for you to believe me because i could care less. However the fact does remain that the battery for the ps3 controller does last longer then the ps4's. A last gen controller lasting longer then a next gen one, doesn't look good for that next gen controller. same goes for the way you chatge it when it's not in use, put the system on standby so that it can charge vs turning off the system and the controller still charges. The latter is definitely more appealing.